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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description> Dear Mocha Dad, 
 
Assertively, your daughter will need to adopt the 7 Traits of Real Men that you posted . . .  only &quot;girl style&quot;.  &quot;Say what you mean, mean what you say&quot; . . you wrote that and it will help your daughter!   It also helps to have an inventory list of &quot;what she&#039;s got&quot;, intelligence? . . use that,  patience? . .  use that,  good running legs?   use that.  Consistently add to the list.    There&#039;s a poker phrase. .  &quot;you&#039;ve got to have an ace-in-the-hole&quot;.  What would be her little secret weapon that nobody knows?  She should know what that is and hold on to that knowledge privately.  Never tell anyone what it is.  This will give her a confident air and something to mentally hold on to.         
 
To polish her Defense with mean girls, (and mean women when she grows up) . . .   There used to be a thing called Charm School, where girls could go to learn how to act like a lady.  Cover all the bases of propriety, give no one a reason to whine about her.     She will need these skills, too.  ie: write thank you notes 
Does this sound like war tactics?   It is.   It is a brutal war carried out on the battle field of a girl/woman&#039;s most tender ground.   Our need, our desire, our nature to bond with others.    Learn the Art of War by Sun Tzu.   It is a fact of life.  
How do I know?   From experience.   My Mom and My sister are mean girls.   
I am a grown woman now, but it was #?*! growing up.   Today, I use these skills during holidays and when fulfilling obligations to family.  If things get out of hand, I say what I mean and mean what I say.   Sometimes, I even choose to leave.   But, when I was a kid,  I imagined that Mom was an ostrich and sister was a squirrel.  It helped me cope.    Nobody knew that.   It was my ace-in-the-hole,       until the day I understood that I was free to go.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Dear Mocha Dad,<br />
 <br />
Assertively, your daughter will need to adopt the 7 Traits of Real Men that you posted . . .  only &#8220;girl style&#8221;.  &#8220;Say what you mean, mean what you say&#8221; . . you wrote that and it will help your daughter!   It also helps to have an inventory list of &#8220;what she&#8217;s got&#8221;, intelligence? . . use that,  patience? . .  use that,  good running legs?   use that.  Consistently add to the list.    There&#8217;s a poker phrase. .  &#8220;you&#8217;ve got to have an ace-in-the-hole&#8221;.  What would be her little secret weapon that nobody knows?  She should know what that is and hold on to that knowledge privately.  Never tell anyone what it is.  This will give her a confident air and something to mentally hold on to.         <br />
 <br />
To polish her Defense with mean girls, (and mean women when she grows up) . . .   There used to be a thing called Charm School, where girls could go to learn how to act like a lady.  Cover all the bases of propriety, give no one a reason to whine about her.     She will need these skills, too.  ie: write thank you notes <br />
Does this sound like war tactics?   It is.   It is a brutal war carried out on the battle field of a girl/woman&#8217;s most tender ground.   Our need, our desire, our nature to bond with others.    Learn the Art of War by Sun Tzu.   It is a fact of life.  <br />
How do I know?   From experience.   My Mom and My sister are mean girls.  <br />
I am a grown woman now, but it was #?*! growing up.   Today, I use these skills during holidays and when fulfilling obligations to family.  If things get out of hand, I say what I mean and mean what I say.   Sometimes, I even choose to leave.   But, when I was a kid,  I imagined that Mom was an ostrich and sister was a squirrel.  It helped me cope.    Nobody knew that.   It was my ace-in-the-hole,       until the day I understood that I was free to go.  </p>
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		<title>By: No Dominion</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MochaDad, I know this is an older blog post, but this is the first I&#039;ve seen of it and I still wanted to comment.  

The thing is, no matter what the reason (there are so many!) for mean girl behavior, the fact is that it exists.  And soon, your daughter might start to experience bad behavior from boys as well.  It&#039;s part of life.  I am in no way saying that it&#039;s ok; I myself was bullied at more than one time in my grade school years and it&#039;s awful.  Truly awful.  But whether it&#039;s wrong, or harmful, or upsetting doesn&#039;t change the fact that it&#039;s real and it&#039;s everywhere.  My feeling about this topic is that people have got to start focusing on teaching children the coping skills to get through it.  Not because it should be their burden to carry, or because nasty people should be allowed to inflict their nastiness on everyone, but because their response to the situation is the only thing that is truly within anyone&#039;s control.  We&#039;ve seen the news enough times to know that no amount of punishing, talking to, teaching, begging, or pleading with bullies makes a difference.  We&#039;re putting all our emphasis right now into stopping these kids, and you know what?  The truth is that they can&#039;t be stopped.  They&#039;ve always existed, they always will, it&#039;s just one part of human nature.  So, if you can&#039;t stop a bully, then you have to learn how to survive the situation until you&#039;re out of it.  

Teach your daughter about what it really means to love, respect, and take care of herself.  And teach her about what it really means to protect herself.  Maybe there will be a time in her young life where she&#039;ll have to defend herself physically (I hope not), but that&#039;s not all there is to protecting onesself.  If she&#039;s being mistreated by her friends, then she needs to protect herself by seeing those friendships for what they are and ending them in order to pursue real friendships.  She needs to know that friends may argue, but overall, they lift each other up.  She needs to know that if that&#039;s not happening, then the relationship she&#039;s having isn&#039;t a friendship and it needs to end.  I&#039;m sure you&#039;ve taught her these things, but keeping teaching that because that&#039;s the sort of thing that&#039;ll give her strength and help her navigate the difficulties she&#039;s facing.  

You daughter was able to leave this school for other reasons, and that&#039;s great.  A fresh start is a beautiful thing.  But if she&#039;s in her new school now and has run into more problems, what she needs to learn is how to handle herself in the healthiest possible ways, because vicious people are everywhere.  As her parent and her fiercest guardian, of course you want to protect her, but unless she&#039;s in real danger, the best thing you can do for her is teach her to survive.  That&#039;s a skill she&#039;ll need for the rest of her life.  

I hope she&#039;s happier at her new school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MochaDad, I know this is an older blog post, but this is the first I&#8217;ve seen of it and I still wanted to comment.  </p>
<p>The thing is, no matter what the reason (there are so many!) for mean girl behavior, the fact is that it exists.  And soon, your daughter might start to experience bad behavior from boys as well.  It&#8217;s part of life.  I am in no way saying that it&#8217;s ok; I myself was bullied at more than one time in my grade school years and it&#8217;s awful.  Truly awful.  But whether it&#8217;s wrong, or harmful, or upsetting doesn&#8217;t change the fact that it&#8217;s real and it&#8217;s everywhere.  My feeling about this topic is that people have got to start focusing on teaching children the coping skills to get through it.  Not because it should be their burden to carry, or because nasty people should be allowed to inflict their nastiness on everyone, but because their response to the situation is the only thing that is truly within anyone&#8217;s control.  We&#8217;ve seen the news enough times to know that no amount of punishing, talking to, teaching, begging, or pleading with bullies makes a difference.  We&#8217;re putting all our emphasis right now into stopping these kids, and you know what?  The truth is that they can&#8217;t be stopped.  They&#8217;ve always existed, they always will, it&#8217;s just one part of human nature.  So, if you can&#8217;t stop a bully, then you have to learn how to survive the situation until you&#8217;re out of it.  </p>
<p>Teach your daughter about what it really means to love, respect, and take care of herself.  And teach her about what it really means to protect herself.  Maybe there will be a time in her young life where she&#8217;ll have to defend herself physically (I hope not), but that&#8217;s not all there is to protecting onesself.  If she&#8217;s being mistreated by her friends, then she needs to protect herself by seeing those friendships for what they are and ending them in order to pursue real friendships.  She needs to know that friends may argue, but overall, they lift each other up.  She needs to know that if that&#8217;s not happening, then the relationship she&#8217;s having isn&#8217;t a friendship and it needs to end.  I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ve taught her these things, but keeping teaching that because that&#8217;s the sort of thing that&#8217;ll give her strength and help her navigate the difficulties she&#8217;s facing.  </p>
<p>You daughter was able to leave this school for other reasons, and that&#8217;s great.  A fresh start is a beautiful thing.  But if she&#8217;s in her new school now and has run into more problems, what she needs to learn is how to handle herself in the healthiest possible ways, because vicious people are everywhere.  As her parent and her fiercest guardian, of course you want to protect her, but unless she&#8217;s in real danger, the best thing you can do for her is teach her to survive.  That&#8217;s a skill she&#8217;ll need for the rest of her life.  </p>
<p>I hope she&#8217;s happier at her new school.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<description>I am the father of 4 girls, my oldest just turned 13 a year ago and is in 7th grade.  My youngest is 2.  I have 2 boys as well.  We have had to deal with this with our oldest on a couple of occasions.  One was at a birthday party our oldest daughter was having and some of the girls she invited.  They turned on each other and it ended up everyone was crying, luckily  my wife and I put an end to it that night and it stopped.  I have taught my daughters to be strong and that it doesn&#039;t matter what anyone thinks of them.  Respect yourself and don&#039;t ever disrespect yourself by allowing something to happen you know you don&#039;t want.  All of my daughters are sweet, well the 2 year old isn&#039;t always so sweet, but my older 3 are very sweet and they certainly aren&#039;t the popular girls in their schools.  We have also told our daughters if anything happens to call us or tell us immediately and we will come and support them.  Unfortunately this happened to my 13 year old this year with a boy, but that&#039;s another story.  My work schedule allows me to work 4 days a week and on Fridays I volunteer at my kid&#039;s schools.  I have been doing this since my oldest started kindergarten and I am still doing it to this day even in the middle school.  This has helped me keep an eye out on the kids in their classrooms and build relationships with the teachers.  I see lots of stuff when I am at school and get a better understanding of the other kids and whats happening in their lives and it allows me to talk about it with my kids at home.  I also teach all my kids to stand up for those who can&#039;t or won&#039;t and this has been helpful also.  I am seeing things pay off this year for my 13 year old as she is starting to use her voice more and more.  Ultimately we are lucky we haven&#039;t had it as bad as your daughter and I am really sorry to hear that.  She doesn&#039;t deserve that and I hope your new school works out for her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am the father of 4 girls, my oldest just turned 13 a year ago and is in 7th grade.  My youngest is 2.  I have 2 boys as well.  We have had to deal with this with our oldest on a couple of occasions.  One was at a birthday party our oldest daughter was having and some of the girls she invited.  They turned on each other and it ended up everyone was crying, luckily  my wife and I put an end to it that night and it stopped.  I have taught my daughters to be strong and that it doesn&#8217;t matter what anyone thinks of them.  Respect yourself and don&#8217;t ever disrespect yourself by allowing something to happen you know you don&#8217;t want.  All of my daughters are sweet, well the 2 year old isn&#8217;t always so sweet, but my older 3 are very sweet and they certainly aren&#8217;t the popular girls in their schools.  We have also told our daughters if anything happens to call us or tell us immediately and we will come and support them.  Unfortunately this happened to my 13 year old this year with a boy, but that&#8217;s another story.  My work schedule allows me to work 4 days a week and on Fridays I volunteer at my kid&#8217;s schools.  I have been doing this since my oldest started kindergarten and I am still doing it to this day even in the middle school.  This has helped me keep an eye out on the kids in their classrooms and build relationships with the teachers.  I see lots of stuff when I am at school and get a better understanding of the other kids and whats happening in their lives and it allows me to talk about it with my kids at home.  I also teach all my kids to stand up for those who can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t and this has been helpful also.  I am seeing things pay off this year for my 13 year old as she is starting to use her voice more and more.  Ultimately we are lucky we haven&#8217;t had it as bad as your daughter and I am really sorry to hear that.  She doesn&#8217;t deserve that and I hope your new school works out for her.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 06:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am the father of 4 girls, my oldest just turned 13 a year ago and is in 7th grade.  My youngest is 2.  I have 2 boys as well.  We have had to deal with this with our oldest on a couple of occasions.  One was at a birthday party our oldest daughter was having and some of the girls she invited.  They turned on each other and it ended up everyone was crying, luckily  my wife and I put an end to it that night and it stopped.  I have taught my daughters to be strong and that it doesn&#039;t matter what anyone thinks of them.  Respect yourself and don&#039;t ever disrespect yourself by allowing something to happen you know you don&#039;t want.  All of my daughters are sweet, well the 2 year old isn&#039;t always so sweet, but my older 3 are very sweet and they certainly aren&#039;t the popular girls in their schools.  We have also told our daughters if anything happens to call us or tell us immediately and we will come and support them.  Unfortunately this happened to my 13 year old this year with a boy, but that&#039;s another story.  My work schedule allows me to work 4 days a week and on Fridays I volunteer at my kid&#039;s schools.  I have been doing this since my oldest started kindergarten and I am still doing it to this day even in the middle school.  This has helped me keep an eye out on the kids in their classrooms and build relationships with the teachers.  I see lots of stuff when I am at school and get a better understanding of the other kids and whats happening in their lives and it allows me to talk about it with my kids at home.  I also teach all my kids to stand up for those who can&#039;t or won&#039;t and this has been helpful also.  I am seeing things pay off this year for my 13 year old as she is starting to use her voice more and more.  Ultimately we are lucky we haven&#039;t had it as bad as your daughter and I am really sorry to hear that.  She doesn&#039;t deserve that and I hope your new school works out for her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am the father of 4 girls, my oldest just turned 13 a year ago and is in 7th grade.  My youngest is 2.  I have 2 boys as well.  We have had to deal with this with our oldest on a couple of occasions.  One was at a birthday party our oldest daughter was having and some of the girls she invited.  They turned on each other and it ended up everyone was crying, luckily  my wife and I put an end to it that night and it stopped.  I have taught my daughters to be strong and that it doesn&#8217;t matter what anyone thinks of them.  Respect yourself and don&#8217;t ever disrespect yourself by allowing something to happen you know you don&#8217;t want.  All of my daughters are sweet, well the 2 year old isn&#8217;t always so sweet, but my older 3 are very sweet and they certainly aren&#8217;t the popular girls in their schools.  We have also told our daughters if anything happens to call us or tell us immediately and we will come and support them.  Unfortunately this happened to my 13 year old this year with a boy, but that&#8217;s another story.  My work schedule allows me to work 4 days a week and on Fridays I volunteer at my kid&#8217;s schools.  I have been doing this since my oldest started kindergarten and I am still doing it to this day even in the middle school.  This has helped me keep an eye out on the kids in their classrooms and build relationships with the teachers.  I see lots of stuff when I am at school and get a better understanding of the other kids and whats happening in their lives and it allows me to talk about it with my kids at home.  I also teach all my kids to stand up for those who can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t and this has been helpful also.  I am seeing things pay off this year for my 13 year old as she is starting to use her voice more and more.  Ultimately we are lucky we haven&#8217;t had it as bad as your daughter and I am really sorry to hear that.  She doesn&#8217;t deserve that and I hope your new school works out for her.</p>
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		<description>I was the shy, smart kid who got tortured in grade school by her classmates. I don&#039;t know why girls are mean, unless it&#039;s territorial or insecurity. Sometimes, I don&#039;t think they realize just how much they hurt each other until later. I got called fat, ugly, egghead, and all sorts of other names in elementary school, and grew up thinking those things were true. Seeing pictures of myself as a child, I&#039;m surprised to find that I was a healthy, adorable kid.

I remember my grandmother would try to tell me that the other children were just jealous because I made good grades. She told me I was beautiful and smart, and loved me as hard as she could, but in the end I had to realize for myself that the things I was told on the playground weren&#039;t true. What helped me most was that a few of the girls who used to be so mean came back and actually apologized to me when we were older.

Of course, another thing that helped was my grandmother teaching me simply self-defense moves and witty comebacks for their teasing. She always stressed that I shouldn&#039;t start fights, but that if a kid attacked me physically, I had her go-ahead to protect myself. Knowing you love her and think she&#039;s wonderful is important, but knowing you&#039;ll back her up if she gets picked on and defends herself is almost as important, if not more so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was the shy, smart kid who got tortured in grade school by her classmates. I don&#8217;t know why girls are mean, unless it&#8217;s territorial or insecurity. Sometimes, I don&#8217;t think they realize just how much they hurt each other until later. I got called fat, ugly, egghead, and all sorts of other names in elementary school, and grew up thinking those things were true. Seeing pictures of myself as a child, I&#8217;m surprised to find that I was a healthy, adorable kid.</p>
<p>I remember my grandmother would try to tell me that the other children were just jealous because I made good grades. She told me I was beautiful and smart, and loved me as hard as she could, but in the end I had to realize for myself that the things I was told on the playground weren&#8217;t true. What helped me most was that a few of the girls who used to be so mean came back and actually apologized to me when we were older.</p>
<p>Of course, another thing that helped was my grandmother teaching me simply self-defense moves and witty comebacks for their teasing. She always stressed that I shouldn&#8217;t start fights, but that if a kid attacked me physically, I had her go-ahead to protect myself. Knowing you love her and think she&#8217;s wonderful is important, but knowing you&#8217;ll back her up if she gets picked on and defends herself is almost as important, if not more so.</p>
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		<title>By: The Raisin Girl</title>
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		<description>I was the shy, smart kid who got tortured in grade school by her classmates. I don&#039;t know why girls are mean, unless it&#039;s territorial or insecurity. Sometimes, I don&#039;t think they realize just how much they hurt each other until later. I got called fat, ugly, egghead, and all sorts of other names in elementary school, and grew up thinking those things were true. Seeing pictures of myself as a child, I&#039;m surprised to find that I was a healthy, adorable kid.

I remember my grandmother would try to tell me that the other children were just jealous because I made good grades. She told me I was beautiful and smart, and loved me as hard as she could, but in the end I had to realize for myself that the things I was told on the playground weren&#039;t true. What helped me most was that a few of the girls who used to be so mean came back and actually apologized to me when we were older.

Of course, another thing that helped was my grandmother teaching me simply self-defense moves and witty comebacks for their teasing. She always stressed that I shouldn&#039;t start fights, but that if a kid attacked me physically, I had her go-ahead to protect myself. Knowing you love her and think she&#039;s wonderful is important, but knowing you&#039;ll back her up if she gets picked on and defends herself is almost as important, if not more so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was the shy, smart kid who got tortured in grade school by her classmates. I don&#8217;t know why girls are mean, unless it&#8217;s territorial or insecurity. Sometimes, I don&#8217;t think they realize just how much they hurt each other until later. I got called fat, ugly, egghead, and all sorts of other names in elementary school, and grew up thinking those things were true. Seeing pictures of myself as a child, I&#8217;m surprised to find that I was a healthy, adorable kid.</p>
<p>I remember my grandmother would try to tell me that the other children were just jealous because I made good grades. She told me I was beautiful and smart, and loved me as hard as she could, but in the end I had to realize for myself that the things I was told on the playground weren&#8217;t true. What helped me most was that a few of the girls who used to be so mean came back and actually apologized to me when we were older.</p>
<p>Of course, another thing that helped was my grandmother teaching me simply self-defense moves and witty comebacks for their teasing. She always stressed that I shouldn&#8217;t start fights, but that if a kid attacked me physically, I had her go-ahead to protect myself. Knowing you love her and think she&#8217;s wonderful is important, but knowing you&#8217;ll back her up if she gets picked on and defends herself is almost as important, if not more so.</p>
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		<title>By: becky</title>
		<link>http://www.mochadad.com/2009/05/mean-girls/comment-page-2/#comment-2488</link>
		<dc:creator>becky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;ve got my daughter in private christian school...and i always went to them. never spent a day in public school. and i gotta say that i&#039;ve seen the meanness happen even in my schools. it&#039;s sad andi guess all kids no matter what kind of upbringing have to deal with it at some point. it&#039;s sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;ve got my daughter in private christian school&#8230;and i always went to them. never spent a day in public school. and i gotta say that i&#8217;ve seen the meanness happen even in my schools. it&#8217;s sad andi guess all kids no matter what kind of upbringing have to deal with it at some point. it&#8217;s sad.</p>
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